I finally find the place and they said i only had 30 days warranty not 60 days. ", They would be dedicated to making sure the expectations of an ongoing pleasant experience that is designed into the commercial would be realized to the end of product life. Otherwise, save yourself about $400 and pick one up from Lowe's. Unfortunately the answer is "No, the efficiency is identical.". I do not believe Bob Villa has used one for the main heating in his home, but I do believe he has likely used it for zone heating. They make you confused with names, like US 1000, GEN 4 1000, GEN 3 1000. I was just about to order an edenpure heater. I've read enough negativity about these units I've decided to stick with name brands (Honeywell etc.) I have natural gas heat and now I like it even more. Thanks to all of your warnings I will now seek out a nice space heater for around $50 or so and continue to heat my home the same way I have been, just keeping the space heater handy for when I want a little extra heat on colder days. I was told that they were still processing my order and that it would have been sent out this week (SURE). State notices to consumers [affirm.com/licenses]. [1] Signed Mad from South Dakota and hope there is some kind of class action suit taken against Eden Pure and their misleading clan. Second is that you can lower your thermastat while only heating an inner room. The metal shell of a mobile home is excellent for transferring heat: summer heat outside gets in easily and in the winter inside warmth convects to the outdoors with ease. I bought BOTH the heater and the air filter. Bigger homes and those in colder climates cost. are surprised when they experience comfortable, cost-efficiently operating systems in other manufactured homes. Heater vs. AC unit. Just picked one from trash. About the same. I'm absolutely thrilled with my unit. All of your honest comments and reviews have just saved me from making a huge and costly mistake. However, the bitter cold in the northern states may require you to run it more. The Gen 3 and 4 buyers beware, you're just the new victoms, your heating bulbs will probably be higher, because they are newer and new and improved. Answer: Virtually all electric space heaters at Amazon do the same heating job. You cannot get more energy out of an electron than is in it. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 02, 2011: Bob, my main concern is saving ME money. As for bob vila. The problem lays, as always, in Sales and Marketing (or Greed and Misleading), that makes EdenPure a hype from the cost vs.value point of view. The same method can be used in the walls, ceiling, and floor of a mobile home to regulate its temperature. These systems the japanese use do not use ducts!!! To reduce how much electricity or gas your hot water uses and bring your bills down, consider these tips: Turn down the thermostat: Many hot water heaters are set to 140 degrees by default, but 120 is plenty hot for most household uses, and creates less of a scalding risk. Energy savings will be the same either way. There are three main types of heat pumps connected by ducts: air-to-air, water source, and geothermal. I love it. Electric space heaters fall into four main categories: fan heaters, ceramic, infrared, and oil-filled. Sign in to create job alert. If you have 5000 BTU, you can comfortably heat a space around 100-200 sq.ft with outside temperature of 20-30 F and typical insulation. Cellular shades can save you as much as 20% on your energy bill, too. they sent me a RFH one it can to me in pieces they back cover was broken in several pieces. But remember Edenpure didn't directly claim they would save you money, that was just the testimonials that they scattered throughout the infomercial which claimed savings. Saying you might cut your heating bill in half is a lie. I have a completely electric home and wanted to reduce my electric bill as it is very high now. How long do the bulbs last, how much do they cost, and does a technician have to do the work? I put up with very high bills until last year from what is no more than a heater that was supposed to be a heat pump, meaning it runs on heat strips. There are none so blind as those who will not see. The best way to save money (in the long run), is to not only comply with your electricity company replacing things in your home that will give you a lower rate per kwh. The number one reason not to buy a Bio Tech Research Eden Pure is people just like you and me on this site have given specific factual examples being abused after the sale by things which should have been disclosed before the sale. For all those engineering types, HVAC types, etc. Water Heater Installation & Repair Service. This can be an effective do-it-yourself project, just be careful doing so, or get someone experienced to help you. My personal choice - an oil-filled radiator, with the price tag of around $40 to $60. Vince DeAntonio ( D. B. Sweeney) is a former college football offensive coordinator, who abruptly resigned five years earlier, and has now become coach at the high school. When the sunlight is in the right direction, I can see the dust particles floating by the intake. The machine shot out sparks. What I do not understand is if the heater is so great why are not the customer service personal returning calls. The most common type of heat pump is the air-source heat pump, which transfers heat between your house and the outside air. 1) If a person commenting on this site is in the HVAC business they are automatically biased against EdenPURE because it competes with their services. Like most people have said, 1500 watts of electric energy is just that, 1500 watts, Doesn't matter if it come out of a $20 Walmart heater or a $400 Eden, it'll do the same thing. Same reasons. What else can I do? Gas burners are a hazard in a barn with hay even if only in a side utility room. Frame homes use a radiant barrier as a film on the foam insulation on the outside of the home. Talk about a rip off. It does heat evenly. I took a look at these today in a True Value store. Its only ment to heat up a small area with a person in it. I am lucky to have a couple of working ones, they do help, but after reading all the electric experts and cost of cheaper 1500w heaters, I must sadly say, I have been scamed. etc,. Any typical portable electric space heater of 1000-2000 W will produce exactly the same amount of heat as EdenPure. I have not used it consistently 24 hours a day. U CANT HEAT HOT WATER DUH! The Amazon vendor that sells the $15.99 Lasko heater shown above wants $27.00 shipping! dont buy one these heaters mine was wsed for fore mounths and now it quit wrote them they said the tubes are 36.00 plus 6.95 shipping. The big SCAM not mentioned is the advertised life of the Edenpure US-1000 or Gen4 heaters. I've been in the HVAC field for 40 years. A space heater with a linear source of infrared radiant energy in heat exchange relationship with a heat exchanger formed of copper or aluminum material. The importance of this is any space heater will do that. Once again use your heads and think about what you need. Installing a water heater replacement costs between $845 and $1,698, or an average of $1,271, for a tank-based unit and labor. Heat is the movement of air molecules. They, too, use energy, but not . The key is that the Eden Pure is meant for a certain zone of from 300 - 1000 sq feet depending on the unit you select. I don't care who it ripping me off if I am getting ripped off. I did buy a small Pelonis ceramic heater 20 years ago for $100, and it still works. We bought an Eden Pure Gen 1000 a month and a half ago and lo and behold our electric company called today because they noticed a huge spike in our usage, as a matter of fact our usage has more than doubled. if you live in california, with the EDEN pURE ,PGAETOLD ME THAT IT CAN COST YOU AS HIGH AS 50 CENTS AN HOUR TO RUN IT.my bill is usually 200 in the wintertime,for one month my electricity bill shot up to$360 and i had a saving of $28,gas. d.william from Somewhere in the south on December 01, 2011: Good article. I have no complaints. You don't get this risk with the Eden pure . Types of shades include roller, Roman, blackout, and gentle pull-down cellular. This listing includes patent applications that are pending as well as patents that have already been granted by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). I don't think this is a good business now I have a machine that doesn't work. Issues of safety, durability, and return on investment must be considered before purchasing one of the most expensive portable infrared heaters on the market. I can prove that is nonsense in 3 seconds in my house. Dont let anyone tell you the heat from their heaters is better or different. You also only heat one room so it costs over $2 per room at an 8 hour run. I don't know about most of you, but in the coldest 3 months of the year here, my bill runs over $500. I purchased several other type of quartz heaters for back up heating source. Some Of there customers are saving and are willing to talk about it. Is it reliable. I might buy a DuraFlame simply because it is the same and half the price. You'll love it. When I was 1st introduced to the Edin Pure, price of heating fuel was sky high. Your heating in the northern regions will typically average somewhere around $500/month. Question: Is any heater like this okayed by Insurance companies? This heater will warm almost my entire upstairs, 1250 sq ft. Today, I had my central heat heat on 64 to try to save $$$ on my electricity. This is an electrical climate-control system which provides heat as well as refrigerated cooling. Point is, I finally bought a Dr Heater and it works way better than any other heater I have tried in my basement and I tried them all! Bob Villa uses the same deceptive wording as the company. Had I done that, I believe, without using a calculator, that cost would be $180.00 a month for just the heat on one floor of my home. Was informed that my order was not in the system as of yet, was instructed to call back after 24 hrs. I was about to order an eden pure online when I saw this site and decided to read consumer comments first. It is great for days like today when the chill was just too much in the house, but it is not something you want to use consistently during the day and night. Think about it, if you heat with gas you turn this thing on and turn the gas down then the increase in your electric bill well more than makes up for what you save on gas. I know others you spoke with like theirs, but it would be helpful to all readers to hear your experience. However, your actual price will depend largely on the size and type of heater you choose. I also have a $39.99 portable oil radiator heater that I purchased from Lowes. The newer model 1000XL is still$59.00. i have one, and believe me it has paid for itself, i have hot water heat powered by natural gas. Bill Burr announced spring and summer North American dates for his Live Nation produced 2022 arena and amphitheater tour, Bill Burr (Slight Return), visiting 23 cities from April through August including Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse on April 23, 2022. I needed the one with electric thermostat but I did not get that. We tried their medium wings and a couple of the burgers. [8], When asked about Burkett's role in the controversy, David Van Os, Burkett's lawyer, responded with the hypothesis that someone may have reconstructed documents that they believed existed in 1972 or 1973.[9]. In that case the EdenPure can save you money over natural gas. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. This may be because their previous forced-air system ductwork had or developed leaks, or something was wrong with air-flow on their system (clogged filters !!) It does nor really matter what type of heat source is used: gas, electric, oil, wood, solar, wind etc. Let me easily explain. Square feet is the area of floor space, cubic feet is the amount of air in a room. FACT: Of course it will. All they will pay is the premiums paid in. There just selling an alternative that has good and bad points like everything else on the market. Storage heaters work by storing heat generated by cheap night-time electricity and releasing this heat during the day Most storage heaters are wall-mounted and look a bit like radiators. Burgers were wonderfully juicy, with the buns toasted on the flat top before assembly, so we got the full old fashioned greasy, buttery effect. is way overpriced for what it does. The heated air is still coming through the ductwork, and when it reaches the closed vent, it has built up pressure which makes that much more of your heated air be lost through the small openings between the pieces of ductwork. A btu IS a btu, weather you use oil, wood, propane, electricity, gasoline, kerosene, camel dung, or a candle to make the heat. Thanks. What a total scam and very disappointed with Bob Vila!! It is a well-marketed $40 electric heater selling for $400 or more. That is the real savings. I will not buy an Eden Pure until they correct the post sale issues shown here. 1500w in one heater is not the same as 1500w in another using different tech to generate heat. Bought one of the USA made heaters last year and found the heater to be less effective than any of the other electric heaters I have used in the past. [7] Burkett said he burned the originals after faxing copies of the documents to CBS. Plus, as someone else said, there are varied types of heat. A $50.00 Lasko has the exact same efficiency as its EP $450.00 counterpart. In other words a room measuring 6' x 7'. BTW, I did see a DuraFlame (the maker of the duraflame logs) had a heater with a description that was practically identical to the EdenPure and it was only approximately $225. I was specifically sold on Bob Vila's endorsement of the product thinking I can trust the home improvement guru. It's CFM rate is horrible vs. a fan forced electric heater. I was going to purchase another EdenPure this year for the downstairs, but after seeing the .25 per hour and calculating the cost, that will not save money. You still need them. Kinko's", "CBS Says It Can't Vouch for Bush Documents", "THE 2004 CAMPAIGN: MILITARY SERVICE; An Ex-Officer Now Believes Guard Memo Isn't Genuine", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bill_Burkett&oldid=1005909946, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 10 February 2021, at 01:33. All I did was laugh when the very reputable heating and air company in our town quoted this amount. Delivery & Pickup Options - 214 reviews of Bill's Burgers, Wings & Things "New venture by the owners of the Maxican Restaurant here in Burnet. I borrowed one of these heaters from my Mom and it heated the whole back half of my house. Its safer than most to. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 01, 2011: It looks like we are starting another season of the heater scam. You could heat an inner room to 70 degrees with the EdenPure for maybe $60/month ($0.15/kWh * 12 hrs/day * 30 days) while dropping the thermastat on the rest of the house to 50 degrees, reducing your heating bill by 40% (assuming avg temp outside is 20 degrees) saving $200/month on natural gas, thereby saving you about $140/month overall! Another thing that I doubt some of you would do to save $$$ on your electricity is to get used to the early morning cooler temps by wearing sweats. If a portable electric heater serves your needs, a low-cost model will kick out the same heat as an expensive model. This Ken guy below me is an idiot and so are all those so called engineers that claim you get the same heat from any 1500 watt heater. It is an older model. Nonetheless, they can be useful for heating small spaces, such as a small room or office cubicle. Lowering your home's thermostat (s) and using your main heating system less in tandem with a space heatercalled zone heating will cut your utility bill. 2) Say you live in a 11,000 sq. While at home he is not acting as an agent of the business so his actions were not in conflict with his duty of loyalty or notification. They don't claim it will save you money. Have tried it a few times since after unplugging it and the same thing happens, it will run for just a couple of minutes and it dies. I am on a fixed income and can't afford to pay almost the same amount I paid for it to ship it back. Enjoyed reading all the above comments, all valid points, but with all the back and forth opinions, I feel like I've been watching a tennis match. You cannot beat basic rule of physics saying that energy does not come from nowhere, and does not disappear to nowhere. Space heaters cost about 20 cents per hour to operate, give or take, which is a whole lot cheaper than central heat for a home of almost any size. If you read it carefully, it never really claims that the Eden Pure heater is a miraculous heat source. We have the 1000, and the 1000XL, the are the first ones. I would rather have on sweats, even with another shirt under and be comfortable with my $200. If it runs 15 minutes out of every hour, it is only delivering 8,000 btus. The heat is a soft even heat and is extremely comfortable. The air movement inside an Edenpure heater is blowing the coldest air on the base of the bulbs and the bulbs cycle on and off frequently. Oh, yes, and for the guy who said how can the ceramic remove moisture from the air, if you will look, there is only one model that is also a dehumidifyer, so it is both a heater PLUS a dehumidifyer. All EdenPURE does is dress it up and jack the price to the stratosphere. I would not recommend this product to anyone who is trying to save money while trying to stay warm. Many people who complain about heat pump performance (it blows cold air, it's expensive to operate, etc.) The only way it would have is if I used it exactly like the Eden Pure is supposed to be used. It is now the 12th of Jan. and no heater. They promote using zone heating to save money. The documents, purported to have been typed in the early 1970s, were likely produced many years later with a computer using Microsoft Word on default settings. Once these last bulbs burn out, I will no longer use this over priced heater. The heat output from an electric heater goes directly into the room, without being lost to the leaky ductwork, that may be part of the reason that people observe that the electric heaters (edenPure or otherwise) appear to "solve their heating problems" !! How can 1500 watts out perform 1500 watts? Only if you needed this type Of heater. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 08, 2011: Don, that is why I recommend buying through Amazon so you have their return policy protection. And third, it provides soft radiant heat that EVENLY spread around the room. Now, here we have a 1500 watt that will be plugged into the same 120 outlet as the Eden Pure, yet the Eden Pure will with its 1500 watts heat up to 1000 sq ft, and this one heats 150?? I purchased a gen4 2 months ago and could not find I was saving any money since Im all electric.I have notified the co I want to return the heater for a refund and they keep giving me the run around about sending me an RMA and the prepaid UPS slip to ship the unit back to them.after reading some of the other complaints I'm wandering if I will ever get a slip. After reading all the negative reviews posted about the Eden Pure,I called back to cancel my order. This has been disputed. Conventional water heaters use energyusually either gas or electricityto generate heat. I have a utility room in my barn that requires an electric heater. And Sylvania's bulb life testing, like all other lamp manufacturers, is performed in still air with infrequent on/off cycles (once a day to once a week). [3][4] According to the review panel, investigations by major news outlets at the time, including CBS, "revealed inconsistencies which led to questions regarding his credibility and whether his claims could be proven". It didn't work so i sent it back to BIO RESEARCH in ohio. Our house is more than 2800 square feet (not cubic feet) and we have the heater down stairs. What a bunch of scam artists. Most heat guns even have a little twist flap on the back which does this to the heat gun so you can adjust the heat output it has nothing but coving up the airflow to adjust temp. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 20, 2012: Ritamarie, thank you for the lengthy comment. He claimed that in 1997, while outside the governor's office in Austin, he overheard a conversation about "wanting to bury George W. Bush's Vietnam service record". Heating the ceramic creates a more even heat. Although electric heaters do heat a room, there are more energy efficient ways of doing that. Hi everyone . On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Eden Pure is a scam because the details are hidden in clever word usage the average person, many of them on here I see, cannot grasp. Bill Burkett has filed for patents to protect the following inventions. A 50-gallon, 5,500-watt water heater with a .90 EF and an electricity rate of $.16 per kilowatt hour will cost $781 to operate each year. I have been in this house for 10 years, so in 10 years, I have spent just in those 3 months alone $15,000. You don't need an EdenPURE product to close vents around your home, not in use. to produce those BTUs. This listing includes patent applications that are pending as well as patents that have already been granted by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). If you can't understand that then you must be stupid. The EdenPure heater uses 1500 Watts. I am so glad I stumbled on this site first. EdenPUREs manufacturer makes several claims about its heater. Endenpure I dont know till I get it. I use the original carton for storing my heater in the off months. An electric heater is an electrical device that converts an electric current into heat. Space heater with pretreated heat exchanger Patent number: 7046918 of insurance. By not heating the unoccupied rooms of your home, you will cut your heating bill. Thanks for pointing this out for those of us who are scam recognizably challenged. The infrared light (heat) is then reflected back into the home. If you have any questions with any of our products both before or after your purchase, please feel free to contact our customer service department at 1-877-432-8639. I don't know where the originator here got the cubic feet, but that is not from the EdenPure advertisiing. Again, it was ZONE heating and with a heat pump, like that was going to save me money. If I was Bob Vila I would not put my name on the product if they cannot get anyone to anwser the customer service number or even return your calls. I was told that I have 60 days trial and could return it back within 60 if I choose to, but that is not true. A well designed heater can produce far more heated CFM than a poorly designed heater. Some people still can't get it. My Gen 4 burned out in 2 years, Eden pure company claims they will send me new quartz heating tubes but I want Bob Villa here to fix it!!!! Unh uh !! They have two 1000 watt and 1500 watt settings and will heat 200 sq feet, but from what I read, the 1500 watt setting is using more electricity. With the economy and everyone wanting to save money, it is shameful that Mr. Villa put his name on this product. She points out their parents had electrc heat in a double-wide. when you look at the other sales websites they state in stock but edenpures states out of stock so they have to make it to sell it. I live on a mountain in Colorado. From $15 to the cheapest electric coil and fan garage heater (which I wound NOT recommend as it actually burns oxygen in the air), to $250 fancy infrared "wood stove-looking" (electric, of course) heater. 1500 watts of electric heat will cost you the same in a $20.00 heater, or a ripoff $400.00 one. The BTU (British Thermal Unit) was developed for flame based heat, not electricity. Those watts exactly represent the energy you will get. The family film tells the story of Bobby Burkett (Huffman), the quarterback for Louisville St. Thomas Aquinas, a small catholic high school. Is anyone anymore really honest? CLAIM: With the EdenPure the temperature will not vary in any part of the room. The EP does not outperform the Lasko. The point has been made of how some feel about it. [5], Burkett's claims about the origins of the documents have since changed several times. Smart Thermostats. If you rent, I would go with the DuraFlame at half the price and monitor the use, wear sweats, socks, and you will not only save money, you will be warm enough and have lower bills.+. Received a reconditioned unit a week ago. Bobby Burkett ( Logan Huffman) is a promising quarterback for a struggling high-school football team. Some are made in China using cheap bulbs and some are made in the usa. I tune mine up every year with the drop of oil and a little compressed air. You're a blind moron, since you started name calling, when I'm just trying to help people out. Heat Pumps are the most cost saving product other than using a fireplace.The japanese use several heatpumps to heat their homes they use one system for living room another for bedrooms this helps lower energy bills. Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems claims of a US-1000 or Gen4 having 20,000 hour bulb life contains as much truth as a politicians typical campaign speech. (FYI: the same goes for room air conditioners.). Nothing wrong with EdenPure technology, it is credible, and the heater is as good as any other similar purpose heater (I only have hard time accepting its "ancient" design). Light Commercial Heating & Cooling. I bought one several years ago and saved like at least 100. on my first electric bill. Yes but they are ugly units and they both worked. Was given to me as a gift and I'm looking to buy a second unit for my second floor. This biographical article related to the United States military is a stub. It's clear that you have not only taken the bait, but swallowed the hook. Trust me. Christo T 575 subscribers Subscribe 87K views 5 years ago How to change the Thermostat settings on Bradford. It is likely that Sylvania gets the rated 20,000 hours of bulb life in their normal testing fixtures / burn racks. "CBS Guard Documents Traced to Tex. I used to like him on this old house , but like many of the over the hill broke celebs. The Edenpure is better than most electric heaters because Of how it creates its heat. I forgot to point out in my other post that I also analyze forced-air systems in commercial bldgs and leaky ductwork systems are sometimes the reason along with poor airflow/clogged filters.